Selling club

It's January, and the window is open. One assumes that the handful of players whom Phil Brown is anxious to ship out will be on show at Wigan Athletic in the FA Cup tomorrow, as many a footballer will only be worth money if he is seen to be competent at football.

What is more interesting is the small gaggle of players who are first-team regulars but will be allowed to leave this month if the offer is right. Rumours began the other night at Bolton Wanderers about Dean Marney (who has, admittedly, been off the radar, uninjured, for a fortnight now) and a possible £3 million deal with Fulham. You wouldn't find many Hull City fans who wouldn't advise the club to snap Mr Fayed's hands off.

Bernard Mendy is an intriguing one too. He is a fine player, if sometimes mad as a window, and only contributes to games when his mind is right and his position on the park suits his mood. But recently he was believed to be on the unwanted list and his prolonged departures from the KC pitch against Manchester United and then the Reebok two days later - plus the removal and presentation of his his shirt to a young fan at the latter game - hints at a forthcoming departure. Then again, Mendy is always the last to finish applauding supporters and leave the arena at the end of matches, even if he is being roundly slagged off for a bad display. And he does come across as a rather emotional figure, so the shirt incident may just have been a spontaneous Christmas gesture.

Kamil Zayatte's future was chucked into doubt after Sky Sports claimed that City were prepared to listen to offers. However, the club has since offered a stringent denial of any desire to sell the gifted Guinean defender and, given a lack of follow-up stories elsewhere, it seems more like an agent making mischief than anything else. City would, frankly, be totally insane to sell Zayatte given his form, the gap already left by Michael Turner's wretched farewell and the evident lack of replacement centre backs.

The finances of the club make it impossible for Brown to repeat his comparably flush antics during the last three windows and it's clear that far more selling than buying needs to happen. City do need a striker, a midfield enforcer, another central defender and one, possibly even two, full backs. It's unlikely that all of these will be purchased, but the number that are will depend on how much pruning can be done of the current squad, both in terms of numbers and expense. Maybe this is why the club may be looking at selling those of value to themselves, as well as those only of value to someone else.

Ten of the greatest

With a decade of life-changing significance for Hull City coming to an end, here are the ten most important figures to have pulled on the shirt in these ten astonishing years. All are vital figures, though the list is very much in order of most vital first.



1 - Ian Ashbee
The greatest skipper, the greatest leader. Implicitly trusted by all the managers he played for, there has been much to appreciate from a player who joined on a free transfer from Cambridge United in 2002. His game involves simple passing, tenacious tackling and a stunning will to win that inspires, cajoles and frightens better players but lesser people into giving their all alongside him. And when he is out injured, such as right now, he is missed beyond all comprehension.

2 - Michael Turner
Simply the most talented player in City's history. His brand of defending was based on solidity, bravery, positional acumen and a general brilliance that often made him stand entirely alone in defying scavenging centre forwards, especially in the play-off winning season of 2008. Sold in dubious circumstances for far too little money and will be mourned and missed forever - or until City buy him back.

3 - Boaz Myhill
Some bemoan him to this day, yet Myhill has been far more crucial than sometimes given credit for. Signed as a talented Aston Villa reserve, he has made the rise from division to division more effortless than anyone else and, the odd howler and bad kicking aside, remains as good a goalkeeper as City could ever wish to have.

4 - Andy Dawson
He struggles a little right now, but for consistency, decency and ability there is little to fault about City's long serving left back. Like Ashbee, he made the rise through the divisions look easier than initially anticipated and still earns extra brownie points for his wizard free kicks and the fact that he let his contract run out at Scunthorpe so he could join us.

5 - Justin Whittle
From inspiring the Great Escape under Warren Joyce to leading a hard-as-nails defence to unlikely play-off glory while gates were being slammed shut around him, Whittle remains an icon of harder and more austere times and it is notable that the club has realised how much he still means to the fans by getting him involved with the club's latest publication and giving him a programme column. An example of footballing pride, honesty and raw passion, and Peter Taylor probably regrets letting him go so soon.

6 - Dean Windass
Scored the goal that prevented relegation from the Championship, then a year later scored the Wembley goal that ensured promotion from it. And all while fulfilling the most far-fetched of fairytales by returning to his hometown club in the twilight of his career and doing exactly what a century's worth of players had been unable to achieve before him. The brevity of his return and the unseemly nature of his exit prevents him, perhaps cruelly, from being higher in the table.

7 - Stuart Elliott
A complex and unorthodox figure but a fine footballer who scored bucketloads of goals without ever playing as a centre forward and just adored the club and the city. Phil Brown struggled to understand him and let him go, but only after half a dozen spectacular years and some of the finest scoring sequences ever seen at the club.

8 - Leon Cort
Won every header he needed to win, was as prolific a goalscorer as any defender could be and fetched a million quid in profit after just two years. Also never booked and never in bother.

9 - Nick Barmby
Never as amazing in a Tigers strip as the national media would have you believe, but always committed, influential and impossible to fault when he gets it right. As crucial a peripheral figure now as it possible to be, having arrived at the club in the third tier in circumstances that seemed implausible, promptly lording it over the rest of the division.

10 - Fraizer Campbell
Now not especially liked following his cat-and-mouse nonsense in the summer, and then his gesture to the Tiger Nation during this season's game at Sunderland, but in that promotion season when he came to us on loan, he was dynamite. Quick, strong, confident and a sublime finisher whether he was shooting from distance or poaching at close range. Given his struggles in the Premier League elsewhere, perhaps it's best we remember him this way.

Happy new year.

20: Bolton Wanderers 2 - 2 Hull City - 29/12/2009

Disappointed with the prospect of a meagre point before the game, relieved to have snatched one after it. The single winnable game within a batch of no-brainers didn't produce three precious points but so abject was it until a rather incongruous fightback that getting a draw will do fine.

City were very poor. The weather was vile and so were the Tigers as Bolton took a half time lead, scored a very soft goal and seemed comfortable beyond all doubt. Bolton fans will point to the deeply unpopular withdrawal of Ivan Klasnić, scorer of the first goal, which reduced Bolton's natural attacking threat, but City can happily point out that their game upped itself in the final 20 minutes.

Phil Brown picked the same starting XI that began against Manchester United but the similarity ended right there. The lack of purposeful running, aimed passes and general creation of chances was obvious and worrying. The odd set-piece aside, little trouble was posed to last season's chief nemesis, Jussi Jaaskelainen, who had a quiet and cold evening on the whole. His outfield team-mates were in the ascendancy as the Tigers really fell backwards.

Matthew Taylor hit one shot on the volley after being given time to chest the ball down, but it sailed high over. Chung-Yong Lee then similarly fired over from a reasonable position and then swung in a free kick which Tamir Cohen nearly managed to touch home.

A Bolton counter attack then gave Fabrice Muamba an opportunity after Andy Dawson could only half clear an initial cross, but the snapshot went too high. The chances were all the home side's, and the inevitable goal came when Dawson could only get a mild clearance on a free kick and Klasnić controlled nicely before drilling a precise low shot past Boaz Myhill, of whom there were question marks about how quickly he got down.

Dawson was blameless and nearly got City back into it when George Boateng, putting in a phenomenal second shift in three days, won a free kick on the edge of the box which the left back swung on target around the wall but too close to Jaaskelainen, who double-fisted it away.

Jozy Altidore then took a clearance down in space and played a through ball to Craig Fagan but he shanked his touch, an all too frequent occurrence, and Jaaskelainen smothered the chance. Stephen Hunt then headed goalwards from a Bernard Mendy cross but a deflection on the line took the ball out for a corner.

So the chances were coming, though few of them were absolutely clear, and Bolton re-established their authority and should have been further ahead when Gary Cahill aimed a completely free header wide from Cohen's corner, and took a boot in the face for his trouble. Kevin Davies, the most admirable target man in football, then won a less gilt-edged header from another Cohen corner and aimed it wide.

A minute was added for injuries and soon the half was over. Utterly abject stuff from the Tigers. So bad was it, and in a game marked up as such a good prospect for points, that Brown probably found himself 45 minutes from the sack.

Bolton had the first chance after the break when Taylor smashed a free kick high over Myhill's bar, but City began to exercise more authority on the match. Kamil Zayatte won Mendy's delivery and headed back to Boateng whose shot was ricocheted wide. Brown withdrew the out-of-sorts Altidore and slung on Nick Barmby, who parked himself on the right wing and allowed Fagan to work down the centre a little more. It worked better for Barmby than it did for Fagan as the lack of a burrowing centre forward was a worry.

Taylor shot a long way over from a Davies flick back before City made their first proper chance, courtesy of Fagan's persistence which earned a corner. Hunt swung it in and Zayatte had a free connection but didn't get enough meat on the ball, arrowing it a long way wide.

It was a big moment, especially as a Myhill clanger then earned Bolton their second goal. Paul Robinson chipped in a free kick from halfway and the City keeper inexplicably came to collect but was beaten by the head of Davies with some ease, and the lack of cover allowed the ball to trundle over the line. It was a thoroughly dreadful goal to concede and Myhill, a fine goalkeeper, needs to hold his gloved hands up.

City looked beaten for a while, and Fagan's workrate was not matched, as is often the case, by his finishing as he made room for a shot with some flamboyant dummies but then smashed it over. Brown threw on Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink and issued orders for the ball to be sent long.

Chaos reigned in Myhill's goalmouth from a free kick but the Tigers keeper eventually made a good save from Cahill's close range header and then watched yet another Taylor shot go too high. City needed to get back into this right away if any chance of rescuing a rotten situation was to come the Tigers' way. And that's what happened.

Hunt made the running on the left and gave Vennegoor of Hesselink possession on the edge of the box. The big Dutchman fed Fagan whose cross was headed in from a couple of yards out by the supporting Hunt. A chance had come at last. And it seemed it was enhanced further when Bolton manager Gary Megson withdrew the influential Klasnić for the more prosaic Gavin McCann, and the uppity home support made it clear what they felt about that decision.

As if buoyed by this change in atmosphere, City battered the Bolton goal. Anthony Gardner headed a chance at Jaaskelainen and Brown made his final change, bringing Geovanni into the action.

A corner could have earned City a penalty for handball, and eventually Barmby's overhead kick had the direction but not the power to beat Jaaskelainen. It seemed to be getting closer to parity and City certainly deserved it.

It finally came when Zayatte centred from deep, Vennegoor of Hesselink won the header and Hunt's shot was only helped in by Jaaskelainen, though Cahill's clearance meant the assistant referee had to give the goal. But a goal it was, a second for Hunt, and now just one team seemed odds on to win this one.

In actual fact, Bolton made the late chances with Davies getting a shot in after fighting off Zayatte and then Gretar Steinsson had a late drive deflected inches wide. City had one more go, courtesy of Barmby nodding back Dawson's cross for Vennegoor of Hesselink but, under pressure, he aimed his volley high over the bar.

So a 2-2 draw, a handy result considering the way City had to earn it, and although January looks almost entirely a non-starter, there needs to be hope and confidence in the way the Tigers approach the matches against Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester United - two of which are away from home - so that everyone is ready for the real deal that everyone has their eye on when Wolves come to the KC at the end of that month.

Bolton Wanderers: Jaaskelainen, Robinson, Cahill, Knight, Steinsson, Muamba, Taylor, Cohen, Lee, K.Davies, Klasnić (McCann 75). Subs not used: Al Habsi, Ricketts, O'Brien, R.Gardner, M.Davies, Elmander.

Hull City: Myhill, Mendy, Dawson, A.Gardner, Zayatte, Boateng, Hunt, Garcia (Vennegoor of Hesselink 64), Olofinjana (Geovanni 75), Fagan, Altidore (Barmby 54). Subs not used: Duke, Kilbane, Mouyokolo, Ghilas.

On the offensive again

The nature of Hull City's performance against Manchester United suggests that attack really is City's best form of defence.

Phil Brown picked a 4-4-2, put pace and power up front real strength in the centre. And this against the supertalented Premier League champions. Surely another formation based on offence has to be on the cards at Bolton Wanderers, comparatively a less strenuous breed of opponent?

There may still be changes in personnel, not least because it is unlikely that George Boateng can manage two games in three days. Paul McShane may be fit again and may be more conducive a right back for a tight away game than the more forward-thinking - and gap-leaving - Bernard Mendy.

Given that Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur and then Manchester United again represent our next hidings to nothing on the Premier League stage after the visit to the Reebok, one would not just hope but actively expect Brown to pick a team designed to attack, pressurise and damned well win. If he plays the cautious card that has blighted too many awaydays already this season, he can expect to have his future called into question. Up to him now.

Zayatte the exit

During the game against Manchester United, word began to spread that Hull City had declared that they would listen to offers for Kamil Zayatte.

Now, it's evident the club needs money, and the wage bill is too horrendous for words. But Zayatte has been the club's player of the season. The Guinean defender is hard as nails and king in the tackle, while also possessing a rampaging tendency when in possession which allows him to play also in central midfield.

He has been a major part of the reason why we have only missed Michael Turner as a mere superhuman, not as a God-like figure. And his partnership at the back with Anthony Gardner has been a triumph, thanks also in no small measure to a rare ability on Gardner's part to stay fit.

If the wires state the truth and Zayatte can go next month, then it is worrying for a dual reason. One, it lets others know that City's fiscal situation is serious enough to regard the best players as bankable. However, more worryingly, it means that the players who we really need to sell - Peter Halmosi, Nathan Doyle, Bryan Hughes, Caleb Folan, maybe Daniel Cousin - are either garnering no interest from other clubs or are, at best, only attracting a fraction of the fee the Tigers want for them. And therefore we're having to look at selling players who we'd certainly prefer to keep.

Much of this depends on whether the reduction in wages can alone save the right amount of money or whether transfer fees are also required. Adam Pearson's analysis of the books should now be complete, and he should be ready to tell us exactly what we need to do through January to bring costs down to manageable levels while also, hopefully, maintaining a realistic Premier League ambition.

Selling currently the best defender in the squad seems a rather odd way of proving to the supporters that the club intends to do both. If Zayatte goes then, like Turner before him, someone will need to explain why - and properly this time.

19: Hull City 1 - 3 Manchester United - 27/12/2009

This was a brilliant game of football, won by the right team but if Hull City can reproduce such commitment and creativity in more winnable fixtures then the future should be bright.

The problem is, the Tigers often can't do that. We'll soon see evidence of whether this applies again as Phil Brown's men venture to Bolton Wanderers on Tuesday night for a game that stands alone for the next month as one where three points are as vital as any during the course of the season.

Simple talent eventually made the difference as the Premier League champions weathered 70 minutes worth of amber-tinted storms before sealing a well-earned and hard-fought three points. The Tigers, however, were proud in defeat. And a spot of luck and composure was all that stood between City and at least a share of the spoils.

Brown made three changes, one of which was enforced when Paul McShane picked up a training injury and missed out on facing the club where he served his apprenticeship. Bernard Mendy was recalled at right back, while Jozy Altidore - not considered for the whole squad at Arsenal - was put into the team in place of the feckless Geovanni, and Seyi Olofinjana beefed up the midfield with Nick Barmby reverting to the bench. Gallingly, the defensive crisis that has hit United recently cleared up just enough for four specialists to return to the team, including the colossus Nemanja Vidic.

The champions made the first chance courtesy of a strong run down the right by Antonio Valencia, whose eventual cross was volleyed on to the roof of the net by Ryan Giggs. The United skipper then swerved a free kick into the side netting after a rather soft foul on Wayne Rooney by Kamil Zayatte.

This foul was one of many such that Alan Wiley gave the visitors' way, leading to some members of the Tiger Nation suggesting in forceful song that he was too scared of Sir Alex Ferguson after their very public disagreement earlier this season to give middling decisions the way of United's opponents. Certainly Wiley hasn't been a favourite of Brown either, though ultimately the criticisms were overblown and unfair for what was one of the more fearless refereeing performances at the KC this season.

Stephen Hunt, as willing and as niggly as ever, sent a rather unconvincing low volley the way Tomasz Kuszczak as City began to find some belief in themselves. This was helped by defending that was desperate and heroic but also awe-inspiring, especially when Zayatte chucked himself whole at Darren Fletcher's shot, deflecting the chance to Rooney who was foiled by an equally brave Mendy.

The referee could have given City a penalty when Richard Garcia, suddenly playing at the sort of level that galvanised some of his performances in the latter part of last season, was sent through the inside left channel and was caught by Wes Brown. Contact with the ball was distinctly unproven but the protests from City's players weren't over vociferous, although replays later showed it was a clear foul.

Olofinjana forced a good save from Kuszczak from distance and then Boaz Myhill had to be alert to tip a Rooney drive over the bar after Dimitar Berbatov had put his strike partner through. Trading chances, although thus far the real opportunities had been crafted by the champions.

Then Garcia broke through two challenges in style and sent Craig Fagan scampering clear. Rarely does Fagan deliver first time crosses with panache and accuracy - this is an understatement - but on this occasion the curling ball was exceptionally delivered on to the boot of the late-arriving Olofinjana, whose volley into the ground was well kept out by an exposed Kuszczak. Easily the best chance of the game, and one that City need to capitalise upon when they come round.

Myhill collected Rooney's low curler without too much strife but then miskicked a straightforward back pass while entirely unchallenged. Giggs found Rooney with the suddenly loose ball but although chaos ensued for a short while afterwards, the Tigers defence was back in place quickly enough to ensure no shot was aimed at goal. The City keeper looked suitably relieved.

Another good chance came City's way when Olofinjana shook off a protesting Rooney and fed Hunt to the left, with the Irishman trying to guide a low shot in at Kuszczak's far post, missing by inches. Again a big, big chance had gone begging as the half time whistle approached.

Berbatov hit the side netting from a tight angle and then Myhill saved miraculously from Rafael as the youthful full back started and ended a bright passing move but, befitting an inexperienced defender in a forward position, hurried his shot when served with the chance. Anthony Gardner then kept his wits about him to deny Berbatov a shot from a counter attack, but from the corner the ball was cleared to Fletcher wide on the right, and his centre was touched on by Giggs and steered in by Rooney.

Two minutes of added time had elapsed and it was a total sickener. Altidore still had time to tee up a distant shot which stung Kuszczak's fingertips but the whistle sounded with City feeling hard done by and the champions in the ascendancy.

The early part of the second half was most memorable for the unkind chants aimed Wiley's way as he gave a cluster of half and half decisions in favour of United, although few of them were as dubious as the Tiger Nation claimed. Eventually City's spell of mini-pressure told as Rooney played a chronically underhit back pass which Fagan intercepted and, having been forced wide by Kuszczak, chipped to Altidore at the far post, with the American being clattered to the ground by Rafael. The penalty was given, Rafael was booked and Fagan coolly sent the Polish keeper the wrong way in precisely the manner Geovanni abjectly failed to execute a week before at Arsenal.

Now there was a game on. Michael Carrick aimed a fizzing drive from long range which Myhill had to fingertip wide, then Brown flicked Giggs' corner goalwards and the City keeper needed more fingertips to deny Rooney underneath his own bar.

City rallied after United made their first change - Ji Sung Park coming on for Valencia - and Hunt's persistence won a corner which he swung in himself, and Garcia won the header strongly but aimed it inches wide.

It was all happening in a breathlessly open and exciting match. Patrice Evra avoided a second yellow card - he'd been booked in the first half for tripping Garcia - when he caught Fagan's ankles on a counter attack, instead getting a stern lecture which Wiley requested his skipper Giggs witnessed. Berbatov then headed wide from Park's cross as United turned the screw.

They retook the lead in devastating fashion, clearing a Tigers corner which allowed Berbatov to set Giggs going on the right. Rooney made the run down the inside right channel and aimed the low ball for Park, and a desperate Andy Dawson turned the ball into his own net as he tried to prevent the Korean tapping into an open goal. Rooney's leap towards the travelling United faithful suggested one very relieved player.

Brown slung on Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink for the excellent Garcia as City threw a bigger presence into attack but soon it was dead as a contest when Myhill's goal kick was headed a long way clear for Rooney to chase into the box, and his exquisite low ball nutmegged Gardner, rendered Myhill a spectator and gave Berbatov one of the simplest finishes of his career.

As the ball hit the net, Kamel Ghilas and Geovanni were both waiting to come on, and Brown still gave them their minutes on the park, even though they were now essentially facing a dead rubber instead of a salvageable game. George Boateng and Altidore made way for them.

City nearly set up an onslaught to finish when Mendy and Vennegoor of Hesselink combined superbly - the big Dutchman's backheel was divine - but Mendy's final effort went wide. Fagan hit a vicious shot past Kuszczak's post after a free kick was cleared high into the air towards him, and City were in possession, seeking a goal for the more respectable scoreline when the final whistle shrilled.

United will be grateful for the points and will know they have been in a game. For the Tigers, it immediately asks questions about whether they have the motivation, energy and desire to replicate such a spirited and indefatigable display when taking to the Reebok Stadium pitch in 48 hours against a major rival at the foot of the table. One would really like to think so, as it would make this game hold some relevance beyond merely gaining a few extra admirers. Ultimately, no points were gained and when your team is second bottom, they are somewhat crucial. But it was a cracking match from beginning to end.

Hull City: Myhill, Mendy, Dawson, Zayatte, Gardner, Boateng (Geovanni 83), Olofinjana, Hunt, Garcia (Vennegoor of Hesselink 77), Altidore (Ghilas 83), Fagan. Subs not used: Duke, Kilbane, Cairney, Barmby.

Manchester United: Kuszczak, Rafael, Evra, Vidic, Brown, Fletcher, Carrick, Valencia (Park 63), Giggs (Obertan 78), Berbatov, Rooney. Subs not used: Foster, Fabio, De Laet, Owen, Welbeck.

Getting FA from the FA

The decision not to charge Samir Nasri with violent conduct after his stamping attack on Richard Garcia smacks of another spot of pandering to the big clubs by the FA.

It also doesn't reflect well on Steve Bennett, the referee for the game at the Emirates who didn't see the incident at the time but has still been consulted by the authorities upon their re-examination of Nasri's horrid act. He claimed he would not have punished Nasri for the stamp had he seen it, and so the Arsenal player got off scot free.

City have, however, been charged with failing to control their players, essentially because Nick Barmby and Stephen Hunt, backed by others, went completely potty with Nasri. How on earth were they meant to react? It was off the ball, the game was inactive as Arsenal were preparing to take a free kick - it was as wanton, cynical and unnecessary a moment of thuggery as any you can recall and naturally it is going to anger the victim's pals.

Some claimed Garcia made a meal of it, and it's fairly clear that he may have done, though I challenge anyone not to feel some pain when stamped upon by the studs of a footballer on a cold night in December. But that simply isn't a part of the argument anyway. Garcia could have been unhurt and skipped gaily round the border of the Emirates and through the exit to Finsbury Park tube station for all that it mattered. Nasri's act is not exacerbated nor mitigated by the reaction or injury suffered as a consequence by his target.

Arsenal have also been charged with a collective lack of control of their players as a free-for-all ensued. Hunt and Barmby were booked and the latter was withdrawn at half time, officially with calf trouble but probably also as much because he was seething and his mental state was in doubt. Hunt spent the second half being booed by the Arsenal crowd.

City say they will challenge the charge but as we've seen so many times, any club or player with the temerity to question the FA's disciplinary proceedings often end up with a greater punishment than that they would have received if they'd just bowed, scraped and sat on the naughty step at Soho Square. It will end up as a futile attempt, again, to get a spot of justice. And yet again Arsenal are involved.

United in history

Timing and circumstance prevented a proper look back at past games between Hull City and Manchester United when the two met on May 24th. It was the last day of the season and the Tigers were striving to stay up. We all know what happened next.

The next visit of United to the KC is the day after Boxing Day and we'll see a different Manchester United side to the team of fringe players and kids whom turned out on the final day of last season. The Premier League was won and so Sir Alex Ferguson protected all of his first-choice players for the imminent Champions League final, despite hollow threats and advanced excuses from City's relegation rivals in the north east of what may happen were he to do so.

In a way, it turned out best for all concerned. United won, so Ferguson couldn't be declared culpable at all for someone else's fate, and the north east clubs below City in the table each lost, meaning they had the opportunity to climb above the Tigers and save themselves and couldn't take it. It was a way to end the season that weighed heavy on the nerves but the Tigers' task was complete.



It was the first time Ferguson had brought a team to Hull City since the autumn of 1987. The clubs were drawn to face one another in the second round of the League Cup, then sponsored by Littlewoods, having been given the usual bye in the first round. The photo shows England captain Bryan Robson and City striker Andy Saville.

The Tigers were in good form in the Second Division under Brian Horton, having beaten Oldham Athletic at Boothferry Park four days before journeying with confidence to Old Trafford. Ferguson was in his first full season and was still building, slowly, his first decent team. Trophies of any type were absolutely essential and the League Cup was highly prized in the days when there was no European cash cow for the biggest names while the ban on English club prolonged.

Horton picked his strongest available side, with men now regarded as club legends featuring in the starting XI - Tony Norman, Peter Skipper, Richard Jobson, Garry Parker and Garreth Roberts were all in the side. Frozen by the occasion, however, City were thumped 5-0 and now, with the tie lost, had to restore some respectability to the scoreline when United came along to Boothferry Park a fortnight later.

Ferguson picked a similarly strong side again, only making concessions by putting youthful peripheral figures like Billy Garton and Liam O'Brien on the bench. Horton's team had beaten Manchester City in style at Boothferry Park and lost at Sheffield United before United pitched up. In a game befitting of the total dead rubber the occasion had become (though 4,000 more people came to watch such a pointless event, than saw fit to attend the big Manchester City game) Brian McClair scored the only goal with a second half close range effort. It ended 6-0 on aggregate. United eventually lost to Oxford in the last eight.

Older supporters will tell you that the previous visit of Manchester United in 1974/5, when the visitors were briefly a Second Division club, was far more enjoyable. The two teams were performing essentially as equals and City won 2-0. The first of these goals became the penultimate League goal of the great Ken Wagstaff's career, while another old head, Malcolm Lord, put away the other. The photo shows City left winger Roy Greenwood taking on Martin Buchan of Manchester United.



And even more aged fans will talk about the extraordinary, precedent-setting Watney Cup game of the early 1970/1 season, when the two sides fought out a 1-1 draw and ended up partaking in the first ever penalty shoot out in competitive football. This was Ian McKechnie's moment of history, with the courageous City keeper of almost a decade's service becoming the first custodian to save a penalty in a shoot out, making Denis Law simultaneously the first player to fail to score. Being a proper limelight hogger, McKechnie went on moments later to become the first keeper to take a penalty in a shoot out. And for good measure, he duly became the first to miss one.

In a way, it made him famous for footballing reasons as all this marvellous servant and brave keeper otherwise achieved was a reputation for having oranges lobbed at him by City fans before matches. United won the tie 4-3 on penalties, lost the final to Derby County, and City wouldn't win a shoot out for another 36 years.

And of course, the most arcane of City supporters will point to Raich Carter's side reaching an FA Cup quarter final in 1949, which saw more than 55,000 people squash into Boothferry Park. United, in the early years of Matt Busby's reign, won 1-0 thanks to a dubious Stan Pearson goal and went on to lose in the semi-finals to Wolverhampton Wanderers. A larger crowd has never seen a Hull City home game before or since, and never will.

On Sunday, the current Manchester United incarnation turns up at the KC, notably short of healthy defenders. Maybe it's time for another occasion for a game between these two clubs to become the stuff of legend.

Defending our honour

Given that the finest defender in the history of our club was spirited away from us in August, it's remarkable that the current Hull City back four is the section of the team under the least scrutiny.

Michael Turner will remain irreplaceable unless one day we find the next Rio Ferdinand, Franco Baresi or, indeed, the next Michael Turner. But at least the defence shorn of his considerable presence remains relatively tight and unified.

We still conceded three at Arsenal, but that was Arsenal. For the most part since the back four of Anthony Gardner and Kamil Zayatte in between Andy Dawson and Paul McShane was first constructed (after Bernard Mendy was sent off against West Ham United, prompting Phil Brown to pick a right back at right back), it has caused the fewest concerns and the fewest suggestions for change.

If anyone does have a preference away from the current set-up, it is to drop the gamely but limited Dawson for the, er, gamely but limited Kevin Kilbane. Kilbane has more top flight experience and 100 international caps but Dawson is also in his 30s and no fool, plus he swerves in a mean set-piece. It'd be essentially replacing like for like, and to many Dawson wins on a tie-breaker decided via sentiment when the evidence claims that the two are alike as peas in an overtly left-sided pod.



McShane is finally beginning to add some footballing astuteness to his crunching tackles and capacity to relieve skilful opponents of the skin on their shins, while the centre back partnership of Gardner and Zayatte, brainstorm moments aside, is as good as we're likely to have.

Zayatte especially has been the Tigers' player of the season, arguably. And Gardner's new-found ability to stay for for more than three games in a row has been both timely and handy. Only the sprogs Steven Mouyokolo and Liam Cooper, plus the versatile Kilbane, are available as replacements so the continued fitness and form of these two is paramount to City's ambitions - unless Brown has someone who is both brilliant and affordable in mind next month. It's also a matter of great relief to read tales of Ibrahima Sonko, the panicky panic buy in the aftermath of Turner's exit, being informed that he is too woeful to be considered again.

The debate will rage on about our best midfield while Jimmy Bullard remains sidelined, while the discussion on strikers is tantamount to applying one's forehead to the nearest brickwork construction with substantial force. At least we know that the defence is actually okay right now, results notwithstanding. It is the only bit of real reassurance as one ponders the fixture list over the next half dozen matches.

Sorry Craig, but you have to go

Surely it isn't a crazy idea to have an authentic centre forward on the pitch at the start of a Premier League game?

Hull City have chosen not to bother for the last two matches, and it shows. For all Craig Fagan's qualities as a worker and irritant, his capabilities on the ball are vastly limited. There is something not at all comprehensible about trusting exclusively a forward player who lacks the ability to shoot, pass, cross or bring a ball under full control with one touch.

This blog doesn't intend to ambush Fagan over his shortcomings, nor does it question his effort or honesty. But in the Premier League there are qualities that are absolutely necessary, and Fagan does not have any of those. If a role is to be found for him, he needs to be in a harrying position wide on a flank, using his pace and admirable stamina to badger the opposition. Yet even that doesn't require him to have any special skills with a ball.

Fagan has ploughed a lonely and rather harrowing furrow over the last two games. He had one golden chance to score against Blackburn Rovers and flunked it, to the surprise of nobody. Against Arsenal he was on a hiding to nothing but still looked hopelessly out of his depth, something more apparent when Daniel Cousin came on and proceeded to dominate the air with ease and strength. Fagan's industry and dedication are never in question, but they are merely a smokescreen to a proper lack of talent at this level.

One hopes that Phil Brown has the gumption to realise this before Manchester United visit the KC Stadium on Sunday, especially as their defence is totally ripped apart by injuries and midfielders with little tackling or marking experience are having to step in. Others have exploited these deficiencies and it's City's turn next.

Brown has to look at using two of the proper strikers in the team. Cousin, Jozy Altidore, Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink, Kamel Ghilas - all deserve to be there ahead of the man currently holding on to the role. The game may still be unwinnable in City's current mindset, but there is barely any point in trying if there isn't a single proven goalscorer to be seen; indeed, it becomes close to conning the supporters.